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Old 07-22-2013, 04:40 PM
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Default [Bug] Hostilities out of nowhere.

I have to admit, I am not quite sure what's going on, but I have been encountering some weirdness again and again, and I think there's a bug somewhere on the bottom of it. So, if anyone cares, he'll have to go through the whole wall of text below.

In my current sector, I have Drox, Dryad and Sector allied, and at war against Human. Shadow was also at war against Human, in a non-aggression pact with Drox, and a mutual protection pacts with Cortex and Dryad. Seemingly out of the blue, Shadow attacked Cortex, despite having 74.9 relation with them, bringing the alliance's wrath down on themselves. Of course, with the relations being what they were, it took me about five seconds to broker a peace between Drox, Dryad, Cortex, and Shadow.

So, no real harm done, but the whole thing was really stupid of Shadow, and I do not think that it is due to a bug in diplomacy. Instead, I think there is a bug with planets that get recolonized by a different race. Cortex had just destroyed the Lithosoid colony on Plar, and Shadow colonized it soon afterwards. As soon as that happened, Shadow attacked Cortex.

I have been attacked, earlier, by ships belonging to a race I was allied with, without the race going to war with me. I believe it happened soon after a planet changed hands, either by infestation, or by being destroyed and recolonized by another race. I have also seen ships where the model and insignia did not match - i.e. an Utopian flying brick with a Cortex icon. These may be popped by a planet after it has changed hands, and retain some attributes from the former masters. This is of course just speculation, but I think worth looking into.
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Old 08-04-2013, 02:52 PM
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Ok, this has happened two more times to me, and once, it happened right on my screen. There is definitely a bug that causes a war that should not be.

The first time: Lithosoid and Drakk are allied and at war with Overlord. Drakk destroys a planet belonging to Overlord, Lithosoid colonizes it, and declares war on Drakk. I keep brokering peace, they keep starting a war (despite starting from 100 relationship) eventually, the relationship goes down to where I cannot fix things.

The second time: Drakk and Fringe are allied. Legion takes over a Drakk planet. I blow it up. One of the guardians reverts(!) to Drakk, and starts shooting at a passing Fringe colony ship. Fringe declares war on Drakk. I keep brokering peace, but every time I succeed, the damn ship starts it again. It keeps shooting at me, but I cannot fire back, my fighters do not fire back, and my area of effect weapons cannot hurt it. I keep brokering peace, they keep starting a war (despite starting with relationships in the 80s) eventually, the relationships go down to where I cannot fix things.
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Old 08-05-2013, 10:22 AM
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Something similar happened to me two days ago, playing 1.017 beta. The Drox wanted me to make an alliance between Human and Fringe. I did that, destroying the other races in the process, and got a diplomatic victory. I took time to finish the remaining quests. During that time Overlord took over a planet. I figured I'd go wipe them out just for the heck of it. Ignoring their two ships, I destroyed the colony on the planet. The ships changed to Human (IIRC) and took a few potshots at me. I immediately stopped shooting and just ran away assuming it would sort itself out somehow. A few seconds later, Human declared war on Fringe. I went into the trading screen and was able to convince them to make peace. They gradually rebuilt relations while I finished my last remaining quests.
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Old 08-05-2013, 06:42 PM
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Instead, I think there is a bug with planets that get recolonized by a different race.
Yeah, I have noticed some weird stuff going on lately. I saw a Brunt planet get killed then colonized by the Fringe. The planet produced Brunt ships with Fringe flags.


Also it seems that race ships stay locked onto their targets even after peace is made. More than once I have made peace with a race and their ships that were on my screen at the time of the deal will stay locked on to me and keep firing. Since they are now peaceful I can not shoot back at them, the only thing I can do is jump into a gate of some kind, then they will stop shooting at me.
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Old 08-07-2013, 12:42 PM
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Yeah, I have noticed some weird stuff going on lately. I saw a Brunt planet get killed then colonized by the Fringe. The planet produced Brunt ships with Fringe flags.
I've seen this once or twice and actually I kind of like it. It's a cool idea that different planets retain traces of the culture of previous rulers. As long as the ships are getting the new race's stats and it doesn't happen too often, I think it's fun. Maybe a slight palette change would be needed on the hybrid ships (can't remember if this already happens).
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Old 08-10-2013, 03:29 PM
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The bug is still around in the last beta patch (1.018).

The Dryads and the Hive are allied, love each other, and are fighting Utopians. The Hive destroys a planet. The Dryads colonize the planet and declare war on the Hive.

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Old 08-13-2013, 12:39 PM
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I noticed some odd hostilities in my current game with the 1.018 patch too. The situation: After a lot of positive rumor spreading, I was allied with Lithosoid, Dryad, and Utopian and had them beginning to form non-aggression pacts with each other. Overlord took over a Dryad planet. I flew in and destroyed the Overlord colony which had no defending ships at all. The game announced that Lithosoid had destroyed Overlord, and immediately Dryad declared war on Lithosoid. I got Lith to make peace but Dryad wasn't having it: they kept declaring war until I gave up trying to smooth things over. I did notice a Dryad ship flying around that was shooting missiles at me for some reason.

A few minutes later the Zarlok took over a Dryad planet. I reached the Zarlok planet and noticed two Zarlok ships patrolling, a Zarlok Destroyer and a Titan. I quickly destroyed the colony, and the Titan turned to Dryad and started attacking me.
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Old 08-17-2013, 01:05 PM
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I'm seeing what seems to be a relations/diplomacy bug in my current game. At the start of the current situation we have Talon, Dryad, Lithosoid, and Scavengers as remaining races. The latter three have very good relations with each other and are allied in a war against Talon (who have only one planet left).

Then things unraveled almost instantaneously: All three races are now at war with each other, even though their relations are still very good (green on the screen and 70+, even after shooting at each other for a moderate amount of time). When I go to the diplomacy screens for each of the former allies, the only "Make Peace" option shown is Talon. The other races show up under the "Make War" screen -- as if all were still at peace with each other (and are just shooting at each other and destroying colonies because they are bored).

So, I'm not sure what caused the allies to go to war with each other (random event?, Bug?) and don't understand why their warring status isn't reflected on the diplomacy screen (where your ever-helpful, self-interested Drox could meddle to rectify the situation).

At present, all of the options for the Drox are in the "bad" range, as I try to salvage a win strategy. Ironically, the Drox manages to remain allied with all of the warring parties, though the ratings are gradually slipping as I sell off drops. The Lithosoids are the most powerful race in this mess, and Drox HQ wants them to survive, so they will become the default Drox ally of choice.

Still, even though it is possible to play the situation as part of the game, the randomness of everyone in the universe suddenly deciding to go to war with their friends is a bit annoying. If this were the result of some sort of massive "Karma" event that could be fixed by a quest, that might be interesting.
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Old 08-17-2013, 02:28 PM
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OK. I think I discovered what happened with the diplomacy screens - and that was due to my mistake.

However, the original condition was a game event.
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Old 08-19-2013, 03:42 PM
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The hostilities out of nowhere bug is present in 1.019.

I think I have encountered it in every single one of the ten last sectors I have played. My allies ALWAYS go to war at some point, and because their planets are at that time totally mixed up, anywhere from a few to a dozen planets go poof before I can broker a lasting peace.

In my present game, the Drakk are down to two planets, from 14, because their former allies the Fringe keep declaring war on them
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