Zombasite patch 0.902

[Shadow]

I just found a bug in the food usage per hour display that is probably causing a lot of the confusion. It will be fixed in 0.903.

[Tuidjy]

For five real time hours, I have been trying to get an adventuring win. The number of quests has been fluctuating between 6 and 2, but I cannot knock them out. It simply takes too long to locate a single enemy in a maze like area, and by the time I do, more quests have popped.

Yes, I am taking out those quests that generate others first, but the game simply generates more.

Yes, I know you can pay to locate bosses, but the costs are prohibitive given that there is no way to reliably generate cash.

Yes, I know that I could wipe the clans out, but I do not want to backstab people who have not wronged me, and no, I cannot get any of the other wins - my foraging parties return empty handed, and I am feeding my men from looting, and there is no way to bring other clans together, except for, you guessed it, more cash that the character has seen in hr life.

I strongly suggest that rumors, locating bosses, etc... is done by clan members with the appropriate skills assigned on a mission, as opposed through cash that is paid to whom, exactly?

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I used treasure maps until all of my active quests were treasure runs, which I can do quickly.

I tried rushing through them 5 left, 4 left, 3 left, 2 left... and BANG three quests incoming.

It looks to me that there is a mechanism that generates quests if it looks that the player is getting close to an adventuring run. Please check for something to that effect.

[ScrObot]

Originally Posted by Tuidjy

Yes, I know you can pay to locate bosses, but the costs are prohibitive given that there is no way to reliably generate cash.

I've got just shy of 10g on my level 32 ranger. Here's my typical routine:

1. Fill up my inventory adventuring.
2. Go back to town, identify and distribute gear to clan.
3. Go through each of the clan trading screens using the "Anything you would like?" button. Yes, they have to have enough money to buy what they want to put it in there, but you can also click it multiple times to cycle through options. They only want stuff they will use, not garbage.
4. Bleed them dry of money.
5. Salvage the low-value stuff, high value stuff I stick in my stash for future clan usage, clan trading and/or selling to vendors (if I ever actually find one).
6. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Usually by the time I've filled up my inventory again, most of the clans have at least a few silver. You can also buy stuff from them (food and potions are always good) or pay for a treaty to replenish their cash supply, then trade them gear back for your cash.

[Tuidjy]

I have 5g on my level 22 wizard as well. It's just that it will not last if I try to make clans like each other, or get into the habit of dropping 3-8 silvers to locate bosses for quests.

I always leech all of the other clans' cash as well. It's still not enough to maintain a cash flow which will allow you to negate the boredom of:
- identifying items one by one
- traversing previously explored areas looking for the random smuggler
- ignoring the diplomacy panel because of prohibiting costs

The whole cash economy needs to get scrapped. Getting rid of the stupid cash for skills was the first step. Now all members need a fatigue stat, and screw cash.

You want rumors? Assign a gossip to sit in a clan's town, risking his life if they get hit.

You want an area mapped or cleared? Send a rogue.

You want firepower for a quest? Send a party, and tag along if necessary.

You want food, potions, etc... Make as many teams as you have people for, and have them go out again when they have rested.

You do not want to have to come home every time some zombie parasite wanders there? Assign a team on perimeter patrol - they will circle the town, and engage any hostile.

You want items identified? Come to town, hit a button, and your members with 'sage' personalities get fatigue.

THIS will make clan management alive, not a one hour timer and an obscure food consumption stat. Clan members that you have to collect so that you can identify, smith, cook, forage, etc...

[Tuidjy]

OK, I am still on this same sector, and I am giving up on the adventuring win. As soon as I reduce the quests down to 2, every single time, I get new quests within three seconds or less.

This definitely needs looking into.

[Roswitha]

The flashing green Zombie border drops my fps to around 5.0. When I open the map or clan info or other full screen display, the fps goes back up to 30. (I capped it there.) Then I close the screen and the fps drops again.

Rain does the same thing.

Now I'm not sure what causes it. Sometimes I kill a monster and it drops.

[Roswitha]

The Zombie adder nagas leave puddles of acid around. I tried to pick some up with an empty vial, but it didn't work. I just dropped the vial. Oil doesn't work either.

Also, the skill button has a flashing plus sign when I have extra points. In the last game, the character button did the same. It doesn't in this game.

[Throwback]

The sound from fire throwers is brutal (in a bad way) - I think my speakers are going to break every time they hit something. I think it is playing a separate sound for each separate instance of fire and it's excessively loud and ridiculous.

Tuidjy - you can identify all your items in one hit at the craft table. Also you only have to finish the non-optional quests to get an adventuring win - I assume smugglers are optional quests.

I expect it's too late in dev to remove the cash economy, just balance it well.

[Roswitha]

Could you arrange it so the monsters attack pirates and mercenaries and such? They attack the helpful NPCs.

Sometimes NPCs have 9 traits when you hover over them, but only 8 show up on their character screen.

[Tuidjy]

Originally Posted by Throwback

Tuidjy - you can identify all your items in one hit at the craft table.

Costs cash. More cash that one can comfortably gather from killing the monsters that generate the loot you want to identify.

Originally Posted by Throwback

Also you only have to finish the non-optional quests to get an adventuring win - I assume smugglers are optional quests.

If only they were...

I ended up introducing the clans to each other, and they killed each other in ten minutes flat... Although one spent quite a bit of time at 0 member. I think their last man deserted, and there was no check for clan death until something else happened.